IWC Ingenieur 40mm 3239 vs. Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500

[george_]

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CASE AND CROWN
It is safe to say that both watch cases build on their respective companies' rich history, but that's almost the only thing they have in common
The point goes to: IWC

DIAL, HANDS AND LUME
Both dials are white, although Omega calls theirs "opaline silver". Bulgari and Cartier are two other offenders who do the same, but for me they are all white.
The point goes to: Omega (by a small margin)


BRACELET AND CLASP
Both bracelets have three-row links, with the centre links on the Aqua Terra polished and the others brushed
The point goes to: IWC

OVERALL DESIGN
When the Ingenieur 3239 was unveiled, many saluted it as a return to the third-generation Ingenieur designed by the deservedly famous Gerald Genta and released in 1976, in an era known (at least for the Swiss watch industry) as the "quartz crisis". I beg to differ. The case of Genta's Ingenieur had no sharp edges, it was, from case through lugs to bracelet almost like something organically grown, rather than engineered. It had baton hands, restrained hour indices and a quiet elegance belying its tool watch nature.


The Aqua Terra also builds on various design elements borrowed from Omegas of yore, adding some fresh ones like the vertical grooves of the dial and the trapezoidal date window. I'm not saying that these elements don't work well together, it's just that the watch - especially compared with the Ingenieur - gives the impression of something put together by a design committee which was tasked to create a crowd-pleaser that is a dress, sports and dive watch rolled into one. To Omega's credit, they did indeed reach their goal. While I don't have production figures available, I believe it is at least their second most popular current model after the Planet Ocean, if not the most popular one.

The point goes to: IWC (and of course the late Gerald Genta)


MOVEMENT
The Ingenieur has a very capable and robust ETA 2892-A2 movement, which has the decided advantage that any competent watchmaker would probably be able to service it for much less than what an Omega-certified service centre would charge for the 8500. It is, as far as I know, reworked by IWC, but I had no means to determine details, nor does IWC reveal how extensive that work is. In terms of out-of-the-box accuracy, IWC has an excellent track record, but in the past decade or so Omega has overall pretty much caught up with them and numerous anecdotal evidence and my personal experience shows that their 8500 movement has outstanding long-term stability.

The point goes to: Omega

ABTW

εσεις ποιο θα διαλεγατε?

[PanosI]

 IWC Ingenieur παρά την ΕΤΑ.

[lakib0i]

Δύσκολο, το Ω υπερτερεί τεχνικά, το IWC έχει προσωπικότητα.

[lakib0i]

Το συγκεκριμένο Ω έχει και silicon balance spring, είναι το μοναδικό από τα καινούρια ΑΤ 41,5.

[george_]

Δύσκολο, το Ω υπερτερεί τεχνικά, το IWC έχει προσωπικότητα.

αυτο με μπερδευει !μαλλον το Ingenieur !

[thanasisn]

Movement

Inside ticks a Sellita movement, a caliber SW200, which is in fact exactly the same as an ETA 2824.  When the Swatch group announced they wouldn’t deliver ETA movements to non Swatch Group brands, several watch brands started to develop their own movements. These newly developed movements were mainly chronograph movements, and there are no real substitutes for the basic, but extremely useful, ETA 2824 and ETA 2892 calibers.

That was a task that Sellita, Soprod and several other (new) movement suppliers took upon themselves. These movement suppliers made the necessary ETA clones and now we see brands like IWC (and others) who start using these ETA clones. The movements have more or less the same specifications, so parts can be exchanged with ETA parts. Not that there’s an urgent need for that, however since parts like the stem are also interchangeable, it these new parts can also be used for servicing watches with an ETA movement.
http://www.monochrome-watches.com/iwc-ingenieur-automatic-ref-3239-reviewed/

[george_]

The point goes to: IWC (and of course the late Gerald Genta)

[grecellin]

Με μπερδέψατε, όχι εσείς ακριβώς αλλά τα πολύ αξιόλογα ξένα sites.

Το ένα λέει για 2892 - ABTW
Το άλλο 2824 - monochrome

[charisps]

καθαρά και μόνο λόγο εμφάνισης το IWC....

[george_]

Με μπερδέψατε, όχι εσείς ακριβώς αλλά τα πολύ αξιόλογα ξένα sites.

Το ένα λέει για 2892 - ABTW
Το άλλο 2824 - monochrome

οπως και να'χει,μηχανικα ειναι ανωτερο το Omega!

[grecellin]

Εντάξει το co-axial; Είναι σίγουρο πλέον; 

[eisenberg]

Και γιατι να μην παρω ενα Rolex?

[grecellin]

Ξύπνησε μέσα σου ο george_, έ;

[eisenberg]

Ξύπνησε μέσα σου ο george_, έ;

Πλακα κανουμε,νταξ,ειπα να επισπευσω την εξελιξη του θεματος να μη χρονοτριβουμε 

[nicolasg]

Δύσκολο, μάλλον το IWC.